long time no see.. so, since i last posted on here, jws drove my sister to attempt suicide again (she failed, but it was close) and drove my close childhood friend to actually commit suicide.
i too kmy sister in and helped her recover.
i think she's going to pull through.
Hi Tanya,
I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you and your sister and friend. Have you ever thought of filing charges against your father? And don't be afraid of going to a funeral because you might be let in. Confront them instead.
Anyways, welcome back.
oh really.
the boy was six year old when he said he was in heaven with the angels.
now he admit it was made up for attention..
the other day i had a couple of drinks and went off on the gb (again), about how they are just posturing and have no clue.
i said if they knew what they were talking about we would already be in the new world, but we're not ..so they dont...the end.. well i got some push back as would be expected, but what surprised me was what she said a little later.
firstly she didn't pay attention to the public talk this past sunday and instead read an article in a watchtower on stress.
Hi Faye,
Another example that I would use is pointing out the numerous galaxies of the universe that have been photographed in the process of crashing into each other. These events are highly destructive with stars and their planets being ripped out of their orbits by the intense gravity of these objects crashing together.
So the question is: Why does God crash galaxies one against the other? Why did he create them only to ruin them? Isn't God a god of order not of disorder - 1 Corinthians 14:33.
By the way, welcome to the forum.
project gutenberg is an online library of books.
it caters to e-book readers although any of its volumes is easily accessible as html and plain text..
the harp of god by j.f.
Thank you for the research Atlantis. I didn't realize that it was an advertisement for his tracts, not his books.
For those interested in a primary source here is the link to the photo image archive of the book. Search under "fifteen" and click on the last marker. https://archive.org/stream/VindicationVolume3ByJudgeRutherford/1932-VINDICATION-3#page/n1/mode/2up
there are dozens of copies of crisis of conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from 4. .
they are shipped from the us but although there is a us version of this site i can't find it on the search function no matter what i put in.. anyway for my fellow brits cheap copies here: - .
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/searchresults?an=raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=crisis+of+conscience.
DesirousOfChange: "I'd have liked to have known Ray Franz."
I only spoke to him once on the phone briefly but I can tell you he was a very meek man, not the raving lunatic which is the Watchtower's archetype of an apostate.
project gutenberg is an online library of books.
it caters to e-book readers although any of its volumes is easily accessible as html and plain text..
the harp of god by j.f.
I forget which of Rutherford's books it was but one of them had an advertisement, in the back, for his collection of the 'rainbow' series books that said that you can learn more from 15 minutes of reading his books than a lifetime of Bible reading.
If someone with access to his books can hunt that down it would make for a devastating quote.
By the way, I recall reading in one of the editions of The Harp of God that Russell was the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' (Probably phrased slightly differently as they would not be quoting from the NWT). The book went through several changes in subsequent editions so I'm not sure if they all say the same thing.
jehovah's witnesses believe that god sent humans to write the bible because his servants can relate better to humans since they are humans.
i heard that at a meeting two weeks ago.
it does not make sense to me at all but i do not know how to explain it.
Looter, you might be interested in this list of Bible contradictions, atrocities and absurdities. After reading it ask yourself who is most likely to have written it.
there are dozens of copies of crisis of conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from 4. .
they are shipped from the us but although there is a us version of this site i can't find it on the search function no matter what i put in.. anyway for my fellow brits cheap copies here: - .
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/searchresults?an=raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=crisis+of+conscience.
in 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).
many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.
cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.
No, it does not make a caliphate unless they have what the caliphate actually had, complete power and control in their nation. And what about the examples I gave?
These tyrannies always begin in the psychology/personality of authoritarian people. When authoritarian people join hands then you have a dictatorship. Think of Christianity's transition from an apolitical group to the Catholic (Universal) Church in control of Europe thanks to Emperor Constantine. Just ask yourself, if John Doe had a dictatorial personality what would happen if he had his own little kingdom where he could play God.
in 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).
many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.
cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.
Simon:
"Like the Mormons, JWs are a high-control group but they do not enforce these controls through violence. They have rules and want people to stick to them but it's largely voluntary."
The only reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't resort to violence is because they have no sovereign territory they can call their own. I was told that by an elder at my disfellowshipping trial "If you were in Israel you would be stoned. "I've also read the same thing in a Watchtower magazine which said that the only reason they didn't execute some of their members is because the laws of the land will not allow them.
Once these authoritarian religions gain complete control of a geographical area their laws go into effect.
By the way, some Mormons did execute their own apostates in the 19th century under a doctrine that was called blood atonement.
Another example of religions executing people were the Puritans who persecuted and executed Quakers (with whom they had doctrinal differences).
